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Promiscuous Female
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:53:00 -
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John Bloodryder wrote:Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0. THANKS CCP
the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus
so I think you're probably fine |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:24:00 -
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Nico Laitanen wrote:I thought the whole point of doing smaller updates at a higher frequency was to avoid crap changes like nerfing a whole weapon system as it applies to one type of ship, with blatant disregard to how it effectively breaks other ships that use the same?
The feedback has been overwhelmingly negative. I suppose the changes could have been modified before the release, had the notes on this been published more than a week and change before the release date. But, I suppose that's not your fault, either. That's assuming, of course, that you read or care what's in these forums in the first place. of course the feedback has been overwhelmingly negative, it's a nerf
that doesn't mean that they should change it |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:34:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:John Bloodryder wrote:Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0. THANKS CCP
the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus so I think you're probably fine Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it. if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid
it'd be some sort of power core
since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core
and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:42:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Push back implementation until Phoebe. why, this doesn't solve anything |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:50:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid
it'd be some sort of power core
since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core
and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores
Yes, and with that MAPC eating up half of your two available low slots just to mount a full rack of launchers, good luck achieving enough mobility to be remotely effective as a fast tackler. And with that full rack of launchers now having no damage bonus (-50% damage), and a 6% reduced RoF, good luck getting anything close to the kind of damage output you had before even with an extra launcher. If only you had enough low slots to fit an MAPC, a speed mod, and a damage mod.... Or, you could suck it up, fit rockets, and take advantage of the application bonus to murder drones that get sent after you while you tackle something from 28-30km while going fast enough to actually function. But hey, your call. rigs
also, maybe the point is that the crow isn't supposed to have both uncatchable align and decent damage at the same time?? gee willikers |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:09:00 -
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Phaade wrote:You already have to do that to get 3 launchers and an MSE on there....
Do you actually fly the Crow, or just needlessly attack those with valid points?
Educate yourself, woman. now you may have to compromise a bit to get everything you want
just like every other non-LML interceptor |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:31:00 -
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here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference
http://imgur.com/a/4wi8k
LML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align
you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus
horror of horrors |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:33:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Phaade wrote:Feyrin wrote:Just wow at this thread so far. The level of rage and entitlement on display are amazing. Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change. Grow up. LML project further with similar dps and better application than the other LR small weapons this isnt going to change that. To your crow whiners the changes mean you cant have range tank and speed all at the same time without compromising dps. This is balance, this is choices with meaning.
Please also remember that the module dev post isnt out yet and some of the mods being balanced like micro aux power cores are key on these ships until you have the full picture commenting further is premature. Please tell me where the Isthar compromises. Oh you can't? Funny. i think the only person who doesn't agree the ishtar needs some heavier nerfing asap is rise remember, sentries have enormous downs |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:30:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference http://imgur.com/a/4wi8kLML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus horror of horrors You fit inertia stabilizers and an em ward field..... Credibility lost. you don't really understand how interceptors are actually used in TYOOL 2014 do you |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:09:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Phaade wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference http://imgur.com/a/4wi8kLML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus horror of horrors You fit inertia stabilizers and an em ward field..... Credibility lost. you don't really understand how interceptors are actually used in TYOOL 2014 do you Haha okay man, you go ahead and bloom your sig without increasing your speed. I'm sure the 30% em resist on your shield is equally vital.
em ward amps give 32.5%/37.5% (named/T2), and benefit from em shield compensation without bloating your sig
you are thinking of rigs that are 30% and bloat your sig
and you can't use an em ward field without going cap unstable (also it takes a lot more CPU)
also here is the big secret wrt interceptors
if your align is under 2 seconds
you can't be targeted on a gate, ever
your sig can be infinitely large and it won't matter because the mechanics of the game prevent you from ever being targeted
also the sig bloom you are receiving is just not that big of a deal -- base sig at all fives is 90, with 1/2 istabs it goes to 98.6/105 while you are going nearly 4000 m/s
i get that you like to repeat what you read on the goonswarm federation wiki mirror you found on google but there's actually a little more nuance in this game than that |
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:15:00 -
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Arc Tander wrote:elitatwo wrote:Arc Tander wrote: -snipp- Taken together all this does is breed the behaviour of get through bubble, land on a Horde or Sanctum, point whatever is there, burn out to 25/30k and orbit at 5000m/s and WAIT with zero risk as once this is done there are very few counters for the prey. Light drones have difficulty keeping up, as do EW drones, and gunnery/heavy missiles won't track or apply damage.
I don't fly interceptors but please do exactly that and see what happens 10 seconds later in that complex... Yep. Just tried it. Nothing happened. Got bored orbiting a friend of mine after five minutes without a single shot at me. did you point him
the post you're quoting is trying, ineffectually, to illustrate that rat AI prioritizes targets that are emitting ewar (like warp disruptors) without considering which targets are being disrupted |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:25:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: also here is the big secret wrt interceptors
if your align is under 2 seconds
you can't be targeted on a gate, ever
your sig can be infinitely large and it won't matter because the mechanics of the game prevent you from ever being targeted
also the sig bloom you are receiving is just not that big of a deal -- base sig at all fives is 90, with 1/2 istabs it goes to 98.6/105 while you are going nearly 4000 m/s
If your only concern is getting locked on a gate, then yes, iStabs are great. This is why they're commonly used in travel fits. If you're concerned about actually speed-tanking damage once you have engaged, they usually end up hurting you because even 1-2m of sig can make a huge difference with applied damage. This is why I prefer Maledictions to Crows: lower sig offsets the lack of the EHP from a MSE. not being caught is always your primary concern
that is how interceptors are used today
taking slightly more damage while speed tanking is just not that big of a deal because your fit allows you to bugger off if you experience even remotely any danger due to the 36km engagement range (always heat your point, and god help your victim if you spring for an RF warp disruptor)
couple this with a physical inability to be interdicted (read: caught, not bubbles specifically) and you can see why they're a tad on the overtuned side atm
shifting the crow's damage potential from hull bonus to a fourth launcher without a commensurate increase in grid is a good way to make crows, in general, be more catchable because now you have to choose between fitting a full rack of LMLs, MSE, or 2s align |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:13:00 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: shifting the crow's damage potential from hull bonus to a fourth launcher without a commensurate increase in grid is a good way to make crows, in general, be more catchable because now you have to choose between fitting a full rack of LMLs, MSE, or 2s align
First up the crows "damage" was pathetic to begin with. Second Having to chose between weapons and a tank Is bad. Dont believe me then Lets bring back the Old Omen. Thirdly, you had to gimp your fit anyway to get 2 second align times. to the point that you cant really tackle and survive enemy drones with a fast aligning fit. I feel the crow changes and the mal changes are too heavy handed. and are more likely to send them to the dustbin than actually used. choosing between tank and damage is something everyone should have to do
by your logic i should be able to fit a drake tank on a tornado
you also don't have to gimp your fit to get sub-2s align ceptors today, the malediction today does 97 dps, 4k EHP, and has 2s align with a 30 km engagement window (mjolnir furies) or 79 DPS with a 40km engagement window (CN mjolnir)
with the new changes the crow may actually be catchable on gates and the malediction will be forced into short range to apply damage (while retaining its ability to do pure tackle)
this is unironically a good thing |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:15:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Nullsec was never meant to be safe (just like wh's), and easymode gank protection (dropping a ton of bubbles on the in-gate) is a thing of the past. Deal with it.  do they not have covert cynos where you live
oh yeah that's right, you guys refused to drop on our guys ever
literally had all of deklein covered with covert cynos and then refused to take the easy kills because there was a modicum of risk involved with covert drops compared to interceptors |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:51:00 -
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Jamir Von Lietuva wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: choosing between tank and damage is something everyone should have to do
by your logic i should be able to fit a drake tank on a tornado
you also don't have to gimp your fit to get sub-2s align ceptors today, the malediction today does 97 dps, 4k EHP, and has 2s align with a 30 km engagement window (mjolnir furies) or 79 DPS with a 40km engagement window (CN mjolnir)
with the new changes the crow may actually be catchable on gates and the malediction will be forced into short range to apply damage (while retaining its ability to do pure tackle)
this is unironically a good thing
link the fit that does all of this sorry the tank is 3.8k EHP, looks like I just got 0wned
[Malediction, Pre-Oceanus] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Warp Disruptor II
Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
http://i.imgur.com/ezzQ28v.jpg |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:59:00 -
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actually it looks like I goofed up that fit, I forgot local hull conversion inertial stabilizers I were a thing
this drops the signature radius to 95.6 with the MWD on, compared to 99.6 |

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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:01:00 -
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Black Ambulance wrote: did you lost your ratting ishtar to malediction ? looks like lot of goons did , that's why they whine.
nah
ratting is beneath me |

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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:52:00 -
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Charles Miner wrote:flag to you in hands crow go live in the hangar now! same |

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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:20:00 -
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rsantos wrote:Goons Cry CCP Awnsers i will admit it is nice that the developers of the game cater to our every whim |

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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:02:00 -
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Capqu wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey guys. A few more updates to this plan.
We've added some more powergrid to the Raptor, adjusted the Malediction mass/velocity/inertia so that it performs better when plated or while turning with the prop mod on, and added a touch of speed to the Claw.
OP is updated. are you going to completely ignore everything people have said about the rocket restriction or what some kind of justification would be nice, and some reasonable use case for rockets on a malediction it's actually pretty easy to understand
the malediction has four lows, allowing it to achieve <2s align, making it literally impossible to catch
having a 45km weapons platform with nearly perfect damage application on any target is hella overpowered
forcing the hull into rockets requires pilots to engage at distances where a suitable counter-response can be applied if the goal of the malediction pilot is to kill things by itself |
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:38:00 -
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Capqu wrote: i think you missed the part where he said -0.55 Inertia addressing that issue
also the fact that it has exactly the same damage as the crow now means that a lml malediction would just be a crow with -1 mid +2 lows, and no range bonus, no application bonus and a useless armor bonus topped off by 6% reduced rof
inertia got reduced but mass also got increased
also the malediction has one less launcher than the crow post-oceanus so the damage is not exactly identical
also yeah the armor bonus sucks if you are trying to make an uncatchable interceptor
it's almost like the changes are specifically designed to reduce the viability of uncatchable interceptors |

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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:10:00 -
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Capqu wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:also the malediction has one less launcher than the crow post-oceanus so the damage is not exactly identical 3 launchers with 25% rof is exactly the same as 4 launchers dps, 3 * 1.25 = 3.75
3.75 < 4
think, mcfly, think |
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